1 00:00:23,979 --> 00:00:16,080 [Music] 2 00:00:27,130 --> 00:00:23,989 I'd like to share with you some ideas 3 00:00:29,709 --> 00:00:27,140 about biomedical science its strengths 4 00:00:31,630 --> 00:00:29,719 and some of its weaknesses and we do 5 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:31,640 that in the context that we can of the 6 00:00:38,860 --> 00:00:34,730 goals of the Society for scientific 7 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:38,870 exploration the second one being that we 8 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:42,470 will seek out and explore and explain 9 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:47,450 those world view hidden world views 10 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:50,650 restrictive world views and hidden 11 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:53,690 theoretical assumptions that get in the 12 00:00:59,860 --> 00:00:57,050 way of ordinary science and and that 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:00:59,870 also tend to take theory and bring it 14 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:01,850 into dogma that's part of the mission 15 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:06,369 that stated for our organization and the 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:09,110 strengths of biomedical medicine were 17 00:01:11,709 --> 00:01:10,610 illustrated in the New York Times this 18 00:01:13,450 --> 00:01:11,719 morning I don't know how many of you 19 00:01:15,489 --> 00:01:13,460 have read it but there was a first in 20 00:01:17,529 --> 00:01:15,499 biomedical science right up the road at 21 00:01:19,330 --> 00:01:17,539 San Francisco Medical Center where a 22 00:01:21,849 --> 00:01:19,340 young man was dying in the coma with a 23 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:21,859 fever and all the tests could not be 24 00:01:24,969 --> 00:01:23,780 done and they decided to do something 25 00:01:27,849 --> 00:01:24,979 they had not done before 26 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:27,859 and identified the DNA of the bacteria 27 00:01:33,129 --> 00:01:31,310 in the young man's tissues were able to 28 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:33,139 initiate treatment and he's doing just 29 00:01:37,569 --> 00:01:33,889 fine thank you 30 00:01:39,370 --> 00:01:37,579 so I think we can see the notion all the 31 00:01:41,559 --> 00:01:39,380 technology we're all aware of the 32 00:01:44,679 --> 00:01:41,569 strengths and we can kind of imagine 33 00:01:47,410 --> 00:01:44,689 that started back in in the early 20th 34 00:01:49,510 --> 00:01:47,420 century in 1900 the leading universities 35 00:01:54,489 --> 00:01:49,520 med schools in the world were in Vienna 36 00:01:56,410 --> 00:01:54,499 and Berlin and our American of people 37 00:01:59,620 --> 00:01:56,420 went over and studied there and brought 38 00:02:02,260 --> 00:01:59,630 that information back to Harvard and and 39 00:02:04,300 --> 00:02:02,270 Johns Hopkins and spread to all the 40 00:02:06,010 --> 00:02:04,310 medical schools and became the standard 41 00:02:09,940 --> 00:02:06,020 we shortly thereafter passed laws in 42 00:02:11,770 --> 00:02:09,950 this country and that is that medical 43 00:02:13,990 --> 00:02:11,780 schools had to be attached to University 44 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:14,000 than that was to again to maintain that 45 00:02:18,330 --> 00:02:17,510 scientific rigor that we needed to be 46 00:02:21,710 --> 00:02:18,340 sure that 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:21,720 people were not dying unnecessarily from 48 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:28,810 from quacks the and so that didn't grew 49 00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:30,930 well we got peer review after that and 50 00:02:35,070 --> 00:02:33,520 we all know that to get grants we need 51 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:35,080 peer review that we will be using the 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:38,230 scientific method empirically and 53 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:40,690 properly and to get published in 54 00:02:44,390 --> 00:02:42,489 journals the journals take great pride 55 00:02:47,430 --> 00:02:44,400 in saying that they are peer reviewed 56 00:02:49,949 --> 00:02:47,440 journals and so that science is here to 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:49,959 say it's wonderful but let's now then 58 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:52,450 step back and look at maybe some of the 59 00:02:58,650 --> 00:02:56,170 weaknesses of that science and sort of 60 00:03:00,690 --> 00:02:58,660 like this man on the tightrope who in 61 00:03:03,449 --> 00:03:00,700 the paradox holds up the end of the 62 00:03:05,430 --> 00:03:03,459 tightrope with his hand as he walks the 63 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:05,440 tightrope it's that kind of self 64 00:03:11,610 --> 00:03:07,780 referential paradox that we'll be 65 00:03:13,410 --> 00:03:11,620 looking at and you know back in 1900 I 66 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:13,420 suggest there were two seeds that were 67 00:03:19,350 --> 00:03:16,840 planted that started to then would 68 00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:19,360 gradually develop into the weaknesses of 69 00:03:26,780 --> 00:03:23,500 this biomedical science and I might say 70 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:26,790 that the first of these was mathematical 71 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:29,320 Bertrand Russell was busy finishing up 72 00:03:34,530 --> 00:03:31,720 his perfect mathematics the principal 73 00:03:37,770 --> 00:03:34,540 math Mathematica with his mentor Alfred 74 00:03:41,069 --> 00:03:37,780 North Whitehead and it was ready to go 75 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:41,079 to press and he suddenly realized that 76 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:44,290 it contained an error that permeated the 77 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:47,889 entire work from front to back and he 78 00:03:54,539 --> 00:03:51,010 expressed that error in set theory like 79 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:54,549 this a set of all sets that do not 80 00:04:03,330 --> 00:03:58,530 contain themselves both cannot and must 81 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:03,340 perish belong to that set and he stated 82 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:04,930 it in the vernacular for us what man 83 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:06,670 shaves the barber in a town in which the 84 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:08,680 barber shaved the men who do not shave 85 00:04:13,650 --> 00:04:10,930 themselves and so that it went back to 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:13,660 the ancient Parmenides and zeno of the 87 00:04:17,610 --> 00:04:16,450 ancient Greek the loggers paragraph of 88 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:17,620 the liars 89 00:04:28,260 --> 00:04:23,010 apparently firstly paradox 90 00:04:30,660 --> 00:04:28,270 then people people didn't like this they 91 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:30,670 wanted it to go away and they tried 92 00:04:35,190 --> 00:04:33,550 everything they could do and even though 93 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:35,200 white-eyed wrote an axiom that says you 94 00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:36,160 can't think that way 95 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:38,020 the problem was that you can't think 96 00:04:43,410 --> 00:04:39,910 that way and so it didn't make it quite 97 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:43,420 go away along comes 20 some years later 98 00:04:48,510 --> 00:04:45,850 a young man Kurt Bedell University of 99 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Vienna and he wants to make that paradox 100 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:51,570 go away real bad he's going to get his 101 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:55,360 his reputation that way and he works in 102 00:05:01,580 --> 00:04:57,970 works and in 1931 he comes out with a 103 00:05:04,620 --> 00:05:01,590 paper that later won him the Nobel Prize 104 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:04,630 and actually had proved the opposite of 105 00:05:08,940 --> 00:05:07,090 what he set out to prove in his 106 00:05:11,790 --> 00:05:08,950 incompleteness theorem he demonstrated 107 00:05:15,630 --> 00:05:11,800 to us that that paradox will never go 108 00:05:18,690 --> 00:05:15,640 away and this was attitude later by Alan 109 00:05:20,909 --> 00:05:18,700 Turing the later computer the inventor 110 00:05:24,540 --> 00:05:20,919 of the computer who pointed out 111 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:24,550 mathematically that not only were there 112 00:05:29,820 --> 00:05:26,650 problems that nothing eyes could not 113 00:05:32,670 --> 00:05:29,830 solve there were an infinite number of 114 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:32,680 problems that mathematics and logic 115 00:05:37,770 --> 00:05:35,860 could not solve this went further with 116 00:05:40,710 --> 00:05:37,780 Lorenz who was trying to predict the 117 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:40,720 weather with computers and this highly 118 00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:42,690 complex system that remains 119 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:45,310 unpredictable today for a great deal of 120 00:05:50,670 --> 00:05:48,610 it and he programmed the computer a 121 00:05:52,620 --> 00:05:50,680 little bit off and the computer word and 122 00:05:55,290 --> 00:05:52,630 word and made up its own mathematics and 123 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:55,300 this began the notion of emergent theory 124 00:06:00,810 --> 00:05:57,610 coming out of chaos of highly complex 125 00:06:03,420 --> 00:06:00,820 systems that the events emerge that are 126 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:03,430 unpredictable by ordinary science or 127 00:06:11,070 --> 00:06:08,770 from what came before them and and so 128 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:11,080 this whole idea of emergent phenomenon I 129 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:12,850 wrote about it once in a paper on 130 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:15,190 miracle healing is a miracle healing and 131 00:06:19,530 --> 00:06:17,500 emergence out of chaos that are not 132 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:19,540 measurable by science it's an 133 00:06:26,370 --> 00:06:23,200 interesting idea the second now seed 134 00:06:30,029 --> 00:06:26,380 that may have been planted in 1904 the 135 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:30,039 weakness was our friend Max Planck and 136 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:31,810 he was sitting at an outdoor cafe in 137 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:33,669 Munich and talking to his friend 138 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:35,100 Heinrich Rubin 139 00:06:38,750 --> 00:06:36,410 they were trying to figure out the 140 00:06:40,910 --> 00:06:38,760 blackbody problem which every all the 141 00:06:43,310 --> 00:06:40,920 physicists at the time we're trying to 142 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:43,320 do and keep finding he had a sudden idea 143 00:06:48,740 --> 00:06:46,470 that if he entered a constant in which 144 00:06:50,630 --> 00:06:48,750 he called H which would be the smallest 145 00:06:53,570 --> 00:06:50,640 unit of energy or a matter that could 146 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:53,580 exist that he solved the problem he 147 00:06:58,610 --> 00:06:56,370 later won a prize for that also and he 148 00:07:02,840 --> 00:06:58,620 wrote it on a postcard and it's in some 149 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:02,850 Museum in Europe and we see that we 150 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:04,650 remembered now that you know that the 151 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:06,360 double slit experience had been raised 152 00:07:10,130 --> 00:07:08,070 and talked about this morning came out 153 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:10,140 of that and we came out with four ideas 154 00:07:15,230 --> 00:07:12,690 Amit Goswami has enumerate them for us 155 00:07:17,810 --> 00:07:15,240 quantum particle can be in two places at 156 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:17,820 the same time a quantum particle can be 157 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:19,890 here and appear over there without 158 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:22,010 traversing the intervening space a 159 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:24,270 quantum particle cannot be said to exist 160 00:07:29,690 --> 00:07:27,500 in space-time until it is observed and 161 00:07:36,470 --> 00:07:29,700 quantum particles can affect one another 162 00:07:38,450 --> 00:07:36,480 at a distance instantaneously and now 163 00:07:40,850 --> 00:07:38,460 last July we all celebrated the higgs 164 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:40,860 boson with people at CERN and they're 165 00:07:47,620 --> 00:07:44,400 telling us paradoxically that something 166 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:47,630 can come from nothing and the universe 167 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:51,030 we could postulate is created from 168 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:52,010 nothing 169 00:07:57,290 --> 00:07:55,050 maybe that's what existed before the Big 170 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:57,300 Bang and now we have quantum computers 171 00:08:02,900 --> 00:08:00,240 and one of the differences in quantum 172 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:02,910 computers is a paradox that is that in 173 00:08:08,060 --> 00:08:05,010 our ordinary computers computations 174 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:08,070 depend upon the multiple bytes being on 175 00:08:14,030 --> 00:08:11,010 or in a quantum computer 176 00:08:18,410 --> 00:08:14,040 it relies upon some of the qubits being 177 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:18,420 both on and off at the same time and so 178 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:20,970 I'm just bringing us a little bit up to 179 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:24,720 date to that to to proceed with these 180 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:31,050 seeds yes here is the picture of the 181 00:08:37,790 --> 00:08:34,050 quantum computer that we can see how 182 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:37,800 confusing that can be but and now it 183 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:39,450 looks like this paradox is here to stay 184 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:41,910 we can look at that we blink and we see 185 00:08:47,949 --> 00:08:43,740 two faces looking at one another 186 00:08:49,790 --> 00:08:47,959 blinkin we see a candlestick and we 187 00:08:52,699 --> 00:08:49,800 neuroscience now tells us that that 188 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:52,709 happens with a way of electrical energy 189 00:08:56,690 --> 00:08:55,110 in the brain it's not just some local we 190 00:08:59,030 --> 00:08:56,700 don't sit and measured and say well this 191 00:09:01,250 --> 00:08:59,040 in that point and well far apart it 192 00:09:03,620 --> 00:09:01,260 clicks it clicks and that's being 193 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:03,630 brought more up-to-date now by a recent 194 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:06,750 book by Eric Kandel about a view of art 195 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:09,600 and the neuroscience of viewing art this 196 00:09:20,329 --> 00:09:15,330 notion of the highly complex nature of 197 00:09:22,430 --> 00:09:20,339 our thinking now this fellow here seems 198 00:09:24,889 --> 00:09:22,440 to me kind of grumpy and I've decided 199 00:09:28,460 --> 00:09:24,899 that he must be the chairman of the peer 200 00:09:31,970 --> 00:09:28,470 review committee and he does not like 201 00:09:35,740 --> 00:09:31,980 what I am saying right now and he tells 202 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:35,750 me that I cannot I have to take in 203 00:09:41,019 --> 00:09:38,370 complexity theory and boil it down to 204 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:41,029 ordinary science so that it makes sense 205 00:09:47,510 --> 00:09:44,850 and he will not allow me to get a grant 206 00:09:51,579 --> 00:09:47,520 because I want to say that I want to 207 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:51,589 include the the paradox and the 208 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:53,940 complexity and emergence I want to 209 00:09:59,449 --> 00:09:57,480 include that in my method not just how 210 00:10:02,420 --> 00:09:59,459 that goal to explain it but to include 211 00:10:06,350 --> 00:10:02,430 it in the method and he says I cannot do 212 00:10:09,710 --> 00:10:06,360 that and he doesn't seem to realize that 213 00:10:11,900 --> 00:10:09,720 when we study randomness as soon as we 214 00:10:15,350 --> 00:10:11,910 bring order to randomness it is no 215 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:15,360 longer random and so how can we include 216 00:10:21,980 --> 00:10:17,970 randomness in our method keep it there 217 00:10:23,930 --> 00:10:21,990 just like when the heliocentric notion 218 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:23,940 of the universe showed up back in the 219 00:10:31,579 --> 00:10:27,510 17th century and so we don't have to go 220 00:10:33,260 --> 00:10:31,589 far people like people Langmuir John aya 221 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:33,270 nightís dr. schooler up at the 222 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:34,320 University of Washington have all 223 00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:37,350 pointed out the inconsistencies in 224 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:41,940 biomedical science mysterious decline 225 00:10:53,060 --> 00:10:44,970 effects and and verbal over shattering 226 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:53,070 kind of words that they use but yes and 227 00:10:57,049 --> 00:10:55,650 and you know I sort of laugh when I read 228 00:10:58,099 --> 00:10:57,059 the New York Times a lot of days 229 00:10:59,869 --> 00:10:58,109 because there's an article on the front 230 00:11:02,089 --> 00:10:59,879 page that says in the study we did last 231 00:11:04,429 --> 00:11:02,099 year it's no longer true stop taking 232 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:04,439 your statins and now another study is 233 00:11:07,729 --> 00:11:05,849 true and then on the third page is 234 00:11:10,189 --> 00:11:07,739 another study and I say how can I 235 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:10,199 believe this study if I couldn't believe 236 00:11:18,469 --> 00:11:12,929 the other study there's a weakness there 237 00:11:22,459 --> 00:11:18,479 in biomedical science and so let's go on 238 00:11:23,899 --> 00:11:22,469 and see if we can look at some things 239 00:11:27,349 --> 00:11:23,909 that have come out of it that are kind 240 00:11:29,209 --> 00:11:27,359 of interesting and maybe hopeful Freud 241 00:11:30,949 --> 00:11:29,219 came along in 1900 that's when he 242 00:11:33,589 --> 00:11:30,959 published the interpretation of dreams 243 00:11:35,349 --> 00:11:33,599 and he brought in that unconscious and I 244 00:11:37,509 --> 00:11:35,359 sometimes think he was the first 245 00:11:40,549 --> 00:11:37,519 complementary and alternative 246 00:11:42,319 --> 00:11:40,559 practitioner in the modern era because 247 00:11:45,229 --> 00:11:42,329 though he was treating the physical 248 00:11:46,669 --> 00:11:45,239 symptoms with psychological and there 249 00:11:48,379 --> 00:11:46,679 were not logic they were not a 250 00:11:50,539 --> 00:11:48,389 measurable phenomenon there was 251 00:11:53,089 --> 00:11:50,549 conversation she called it the talking 252 00:11:55,699 --> 00:11:53,099 sure and the paralysis disappears 253 00:11:58,039 --> 00:11:55,709 not because you measure it or find some 254 00:12:00,679 --> 00:11:58,049 scientific study that shows that if you 255 00:12:02,899 --> 00:12:00,689 say this word because it simply coalesce 256 00:12:05,749 --> 00:12:02,909 as in the from the unconscious to the 257 00:12:08,299 --> 00:12:05,759 consciousness of a human being and so 258 00:12:12,289 --> 00:12:08,309 there that puts us in a place of looking 259 00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:12,299 a little closer at phenomena now when 260 00:12:16,549 --> 00:12:14,399 the company and alternative medicine 261 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:16,559 became totally respectable in the United 262 00:12:20,299 --> 00:12:18,569 States in the 90s when the National 263 00:12:24,309 --> 00:12:20,309 Institute of Health this established 264 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:24,319 that department and the first and 265 00:12:31,699 --> 00:12:27,529 founding a chairman of that organization 266 00:12:34,819 --> 00:12:31,709 said we are going to prove once and for 267 00:12:38,149 --> 00:12:34,829 all whether these alternative medical 268 00:12:39,649 --> 00:12:38,159 practices work and the New England 269 00:12:41,359 --> 00:12:39,659 Journal of Medicine and the Journal of 270 00:12:43,969 --> 00:12:41,369 the American Medical Association both 271 00:12:48,339 --> 00:12:43,979 came out with heavy heavy editorials 272 00:12:50,869 --> 00:12:48,349 saying that there is no such thing as 273 00:12:53,299 --> 00:12:50,879 alternative medicine there is only that 274 00:12:57,349 --> 00:12:53,309 medicine that is proved by science and 275 00:13:00,409 --> 00:12:57,359 that medicine that is not and what do we 276 00:13:01,849 --> 00:13:00,419 have now we have complementary and 277 00:13:04,129 --> 00:13:01,859 alternative medicine in almost every 278 00:13:06,820 --> 00:13:04,139 Medical School in the country lots of 279 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:06,830 grants for it lots of activity going on 280 00:13:13,930 --> 00:13:11,570 and when asked there was a lovely new 281 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:13,940 book out but our article in Atlantic 282 00:13:20,350 --> 00:13:17,390 Monthly by David Friedman and he went 283 00:13:23,230 --> 00:13:20,360 into an interviewed alternative healers 284 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:23,240 and university center and they all 285 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:26,870 agreed that the evidence that of all the 286 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:29,600 research that has been done thousands of 287 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:32,210 studies it's hard to find a study that 288 00:13:39,580 --> 00:13:36,250 has a statistically significant outcome 289 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:39,590 so then he asked them at the end the 290 00:13:45,250 --> 00:13:41,090 experts he said well why are you keep 291 00:13:54,940 --> 00:13:45,260 doing this and they said it probably 292 00:13:59,080 --> 00:13:54,950 works and you know and it's and it's 293 00:14:02,370 --> 00:13:59,090 being used and it's just kind of 294 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:02,380 marvelous if you ask the average 295 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:07,310 ordinary mainstream medical biomedical 296 00:14:17,860 --> 00:14:15,650 scientist or practicing healer they will 297 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:17,870 say that evidence-based really means the 298 00:14:24,370 --> 00:14:19,850 old meaning of science that it's 299 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:24,380 statistically significant 0.05 factor 300 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:29,690 and so that but if you ask alternative 301 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:31,310 practitioners and I've asked a lot of 302 00:14:37,330 --> 00:14:35,810 them at various meetings while we say we 303 00:14:39,850 --> 00:14:37,340 can fudge that a little bit and say that 304 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:39,860 something is promising partly because 305 00:14:46,270 --> 00:14:44,930 it's not harming anybody and these 306 00:14:48,580 --> 00:14:46,280 departments all over the country are 307 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:48,590 flourishing I think it's wonderful but 308 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:50,450 again just to point out that we had to 309 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:53,240 enter the paradox in order to proceed 310 00:15:00,280 --> 00:14:56,810 with the treatment and the public in 311 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:00,290 many ways demands it and so do some of 312 00:15:10,350 --> 00:15:04,730 the benefactors now the other thing that 313 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:10,360 happened in 1900 about this is that the 314 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:14,750 man named Santiago Ramon ha ha a neuro 315 00:15:18,950 --> 00:15:17,020 histology is one of the first ones 316 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:18,960 demonstrated the sinner 317 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:21,060 and in your own and he was an artist 318 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:23,510 also and this is a drawing of his from 319 00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:26,880 looking through the microscope and it's 320 00:15:29,690 --> 00:15:28,320 sort of interesting to me that at the 321 00:15:33,050 --> 00:15:29,700 same time it was in Edmund Husserl 322 00:15:36,830 --> 00:15:33,060 published his first volume of logical 323 00:15:40,130 --> 00:15:36,840 investigations and pointed out perhaps 324 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:40,140 what is to humans the most serious self 325 00:15:44,690 --> 00:15:42,570 referential paradox of all and that is 326 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:44,700 the only way we can study the mind is by 327 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:48,480 using the mind and here we are in that 328 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:51,510 paradox as I say it's with us and it's 329 00:15:58,130 --> 00:15:53,910 nice that we're able to fudge it and say 330 00:15:59,810 --> 00:15:58,140 hey I think so there's hardly a hero 331 00:16:03,740 --> 00:15:59,820 around who hasn't someday had an 332 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:03,750 intuitive notion and Carl Jung would 333 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:05,210 call it synchronicity 334 00:16:11,510 --> 00:16:09,600 but anyway so that we now have we now 335 00:16:14,180 --> 00:16:11,520 know that we have hundreds of billions 336 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:14,190 of those neurons in our brain right and 337 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:16,050 we know that each one of those has tens 338 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:17,850 of thousands of connections to others 339 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:19,920 and many of those connections go around 340 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:23,850 in loop de loop and Hofstadter's latest 341 00:16:29,150 --> 00:16:26,370 book is called I am a strange loop and 342 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:29,160 he feels that consciousness is itself 343 00:16:35,510 --> 00:16:32,610 that loop Oddity loop of the brain that 344 00:16:39,140 --> 00:16:35,520 comes back on itself in an infinite 345 00:16:42,050 --> 00:16:39,150 regression almost and so it looks to me 346 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:42,060 like um it's all here to stay there is a 347 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:43,710 Jeffrey's at Andover has a book that 348 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:46,620 just came out called the quantum brain 349 00:16:53,630 --> 00:16:49,380 and he goes into these ideas in detail 350 00:16:57,940 --> 00:16:53,640 about what's happening at the synapse he 351 00:17:00,920 --> 00:16:57,950 and the and and dr. Eric Kandel both 352 00:17:04,310 --> 00:17:00,930 demonstrated the one who does the images 353 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:04,320 of looking at art and the massive brain 354 00:17:09,470 --> 00:17:06,300 function that occurs as you look at art 355 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:09,480 and and see it as image and perhaps 356 00:17:15,290 --> 00:17:13,890 metaphor and are saying that the you 357 00:17:17,540 --> 00:17:15,300 know there's a delay of the synapse 358 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:17,550 that's been measured in a guy named Lai 359 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:20,730 bet years ago and we know that there are 360 00:17:24,690 --> 00:17:23,970 delays along the way as those various 361 00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:24,700 connections 362 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:27,280 made and especially in the speed of the 363 00:17:33,390 --> 00:17:29,350 loop-de-loop and how long it takes us to 364 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:33,400 grasp that the idea there but that it's 365 00:17:41,340 --> 00:17:38,910 too fast to be explained by our ordinary 366 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:41,350 proteins that transport subatomic 367 00:17:48,780 --> 00:17:45,130 particles across the membrane peptides 368 00:17:51,450 --> 00:17:48,790 and also some ions that carry that that 369 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:51,460 is too fast and and a Czechoslovakian 370 00:18:01,380 --> 00:17:58,450 man what's his name - and he has come 371 00:18:04,260 --> 00:18:01,390 out with a lovely paper that outlines a 372 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:04,270 potential way to look at that in a flow 373 00:18:19,230 --> 00:18:08,130 chart that would help us to understand 374 00:18:23,130 --> 00:18:19,240 so now then I'm just gonna I want to 375 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:23,140 raise the question with you in the in 376 00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:26,970 this sense of the the goals of the 377 00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:30,580 Society for scientific exploration that 378 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:35,280 we talked about earlier and could it be 379 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:38,650 the reason that complexity looks so 380 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:41,230 weird to us and emergent phenomenon and 381 00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:42,970 seems so and we're trying to bring it 382 00:18:46,620 --> 00:18:44,560 back down to science to understand it 383 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:46,630 but the reason that it looks like it 384 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:50,110 needs a resolution is because we're 385 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:53,010 looking at it through a rational lens 386 00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:54,790 we're not doing it through the 387 00:19:04,530 --> 00:18:57,520 unconscious the way sudden apparition it 388 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:04,540 and so that that lens then allows us to 389 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:06,430 view it from the point of view of 390 00:19:14,490 --> 00:19:11,010 ordinary rational logical mathematics 391 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:14,500 and that the reason quantum seems so 392 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:18,100 weird to us especially when it comes to 393 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:20,410 healing we have to try to reduce it down 394 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:24,850 to ordinary science what do we do with 395 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:28,270 it but anyway just to say that could it 396 00:19:35,850 --> 00:19:34,270 be that that this aspect of modern 397 00:19:39,010 --> 00:19:35,860 biomedical sign 398 00:19:42,940 --> 00:19:39,020 that lens that we use to look at it with 399 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:42,950 that that in itself a restrictive 400 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:46,730 worldview and a hidden theoretical 401 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:52,370 assumption called scientism and so I'll 402 00:19:57,340 --> 00:19:54,050 leave without were ready for questions 403 00:19:59,380 --> 00:19:57,350 I'll just tell you that I feel like that 404 00:20:04,300 --> 00:19:59,390 dandelion in the midst of a big field of 405 00:20:05,860 --> 00:20:04,310 wild garlic and I will try if there are 406 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:05,870 questions I will try to answer them 407 00:20:12,250 --> 00:20:09,280 unequivocally always holding in my heart 408 00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:12,260 that in a quantum computer depends upon 409 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:15,860 some of its qubits being both on and off 410 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:25,490 at the same time are there no question 411 00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,320 would anyone want to raise their hands 412 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:29,840 well then I'll just mention something to 413 00:20:33,730 --> 00:20:31,970 you I think this would be kind of fun 414 00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:33,740 enjoy ourselves 415 00:20:38,110 --> 00:20:36,440 I was at an institute of noetic science 416 00:20:42,060 --> 00:20:38,120 meeting and Palm Springs some years ago 417 00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,070 and the opening speaker in order to 418 00:20:47,230 --> 00:20:44,720 emphasize the serious and the scientific 419 00:20:50,890 --> 00:20:47,240 nature of the meeting said in her 420 00:20:54,820 --> 00:20:50,900 opening speech remember the words of the 421 00:21:00,010 --> 00:20:54,830 great poet Roque who said love the 422 00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,020 questions live the answers and at when 423 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:01,760 the open mic came I had to get up and 424 00:21:07,090 --> 00:21:04,340 say oh I hate to say this but real Kay 425 00:21:09,970 --> 00:21:07,100 did not say love the questions live the 426 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:09,980 answers he said love the questions live 427 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:13,250 the questions and it brings to mind 428 00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:16,400 myself that if we use that poetic notion 429 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:20,000 then the poetic aspect of it we probably 430 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:22,730 would in the country be taking half as 431 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:25,250 many pills as we take every day if we 432 00:21:34,170 --> 00:21:29,710 loved the questions thank you 433 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:34,180 [Applause]